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Chat on "Chat on Butterflies - Our Natural Gardeners" dated April 18, 2003

    Susan

    Welcome to IWC chat on "Butterflies".

    Susan

    The Indian Subcontinent is home to nearly 1,977 species of butterflies; Sikkim with around 600 species and Western Ghats with 300 species are by far the richest regions for butterfly diversity.

    Jayant

    Hi

    Susan

    Hi Jayant , how is the butterfly garden in Pune school coming along?

    Jayant

    Not been there in the recent past, as I am mostly in Calcutta .  This 1977 figure is very intresting.

    Susan

    Is the number of species more or less? I am sure it is a disputed figure.

    amrita

    hi

    Susan, Jayant

    Hi, amrita

    Jayant

    But now as the School has commited to the project by putting it up as an activity in their school calender, I am quite assured of its success

    Susan

    Jayant, how are the children liking the project. Do they have any activity around the b.garden?

    Jayant

    The b.Garden is a new dimension for the children. This coming year we plan to have each child take up a plant and observe it for a period on two months

    amrita

    i attended a small slide show on butterlies and i was told that butterflies migrate as far as rom europe to India, is it true

    Jayant

    Butterflies do migrate! But I am afraid not from Europe to India, like birds.

    Jayant

    In India we have north south migration of butterflies, but it has not been well studied

    harsha

    Hi Everyone!

    Jayant

    Hi harsha

    amrita

    what is the max age a butterfly survives

    Susan

    My impression is-a few days only

    Jayant

    depends on the species, 10 to 15 days

    harsha

    Blue tigers & crows are already started to migrate in south India

    Jayant

    yes I have heard of the migration this season, have you seen them. Its a fascinating sight

    harsha

    yes ,from last week! from east to west

    Jayant

    Could you see dark Blue tigers and Double branded Crows?

    harsha

    Yes! but did see striped tiger & some one mentioned abt Jezebel????

    Jayant

    Jezebel? was it in numbers or just a stray

    harsha

    no idea !

    Susan

    What flowers attract most buterflies? Does the migration have something to do with flowering trees?

    Jayant

    Nectar bearing flowers like Lantana

    Jayant

    The migration is to and from the hills

    harsha

    yes east cost to western ghats

    Susan

    Conservationists estimate as many as 50,000 butterfly specimens a month are smuggled out of India, forming a large part of an illegal trade worth £20m every year.

    Susan

    Most smuggling happens in Sikkim.

    amrita

    I remember seeing trapping of butterlies in Namdapha national park and in Shillong

    Jayant

    There are some rare butterflies likes the Bhutan glory, Keiser-i-hind which are saught after

    harsha

    smuggled butterflies are northeast specimens

    Jayant

    Last year some Russians were caught in Sikkim

    Jayant

    Brazil has done quite well in butterfly farming

    harsha

    if any one intersted send a mail to this interactive group ButterflyIndia@yahoogroups.com

    Susan

    Welcome s.r goduka

    s.r.goduka

    how many museums are there in india exclusively for butterflies

    Jayant

    The best thing about butterflies is that they are all over,  They are seen even in midist of crowded cities

    Jayant

    I guess none ( exclusive)

    s.r.goduka

    ohh

    Jayant

    But ZSI in Calcutta & BNHS in Mumbai have a decent collection

    s.r.goduka

    I know of one in Assam at least

    Jayant

    Tell us more about it.

    s.r.goduka

    It's maintained by Numaligarh refinery, I guess . Nnear golaghat in Upper Assam

    harsha

    Butterfly park is coming up at Banergatta National Park ,Bangalore

    Jayant

    Is it open to general public?

    Susan

    Isaac Kehimkar ( BNHS) was mentioning that WPI Act prohibits India having a butterfly enclosure like they have in Singapore

    Jayant

    Yes but one can take a special permission and have enclosed butterflies

    Jayant

    In Calcutta, the Science city has a small enclosure for butterflies, it is quite well maintained

    s.r.goduka

    ok

    Jayant

    But I am afraid collections are illegal

    s.r.goduka

    it seems we still need concrete info about this aspect,  I mean butterfly museums

    Jayant

    By museums you mean a collection of dead specimens?

    s.r.goduka

    no no, live

    Jayant

    Then its a park

    s.r.goduka

    Yes we can call like that . I referred as 'museum' b coz the assam one has named it so. 

    Susan

    Hi Sandeep

    sandeep

    Hi all

    Jayant

    Hi sandeep how is your butterfly photography going?

    s.r.goduka

    I have not seen any documentary on butterflies of India, is there any ?

    Jayant

    Dr Susan That's for you

    Susan

    I have seen a documentary for kids on butterflies, in the Delhi Vatavaran Festival. I will get the details for you.

    Susan

    I hear that the Garden of Five Senses coming up near Kutub Minar in Delhi will have a butterfly garden

    s.r.goduka

    this is a great news. thanks

    Jayant

    each city should have at least one b. park

    sandeep

    Jayant i havent yet photographed a butterfly.. but think i should photograph them later..

    harsha

    good news"Hazaradous mercury waste sent back from India" will be mailing it on groups!!!!

    Susan

    Shall we have the next topic on environ/pollution/?

    Jayant

    Why not.

    Susan

    Jayant, give some tips on butterfly photography.

    Susan

    There is a beautiful poster by Jayant in our free downloads

    Jayant

    Do we really need to conserve butterflies?

    Jayant

    Butterflies are cold blooded creatures, hence they need to wait for the sun to warm them up

    Jayant

    This is called basking. Generally they allow a close approach during basking, hence a good time for photographing.

    Susan

    That is a good tip, Jayant

    sandeep

    Jayant have you tried freezing ?

    sandeep

    Jayant I have heard that by cooling butterflies we can make them still for some time is it true..

    Jayant

    Cooling butterflies is Unethical!!!!! I do not recommend that at all

    Jayant

    Another way is to locate a bush/ plant with nectar bearing flowers and be prepared for a lot of action

    harsha

    mud-puddling time is really good

    Jayant

    Yes , but not very nice on your back

    Susan

    Except Indians the rest of the world seem to value them a lot. 20million pounds worth of trade.

    harsha

    Indian are good!! if they start collecting them like others our wildlife will be gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

    Susan

    You said it Harsha. But we must be aware enough not to let others collect them.  

    harsha

    ie why all Indian wildlife are Protected!

    harsha

    hey Jayant have ever seen "Southern Bird wing"

    Jayant

    No I have not seen it. This May I am gioing to Dandeli in search of it.   Birdwing are also a great choice of collectors!

    Jayant

    Butterflies are gardeners in nature, by conserving them in turn we are conserving a gamut of plants and protecting them

    s.r.goduka

    I would like to know about the no. of endangered butterflies

    harsha

    WPA has listed around 450 of them as protected

    sandeep

    Does butterflies have any other food than nectar.. is there any food with which we can feed them and attract them..

    Jayant

    Some like the Barron are attracted to rotting fruits

    Jayant

    Some like the nawabs to rotting animals

    sandeep

    http://thenaturestore.com/zz161.htm here I saw something called butterfly feeder

    harsha

    I have planned for no. of trips to western ghats , let me know I may join.  Dandeli u get King Cobras

    Jayant

    Thats great harsha you amy mail me at j_deshpande@yahoo.com

    Jayant

    'King' will be a bonus !

    harsha

    I saw no. of them in Bhadra Tiger Reserve

    Susan

    For s. r. goduka-the documentary on butterflies is 'Chasing Butterflies' by Gurmeet Sapal 24 min Hindi

    s.r.goduka

    thanks alot

    Jayant

    Bye folks I will call it a day. Nice to chat with you all.

    Susan

    Thanks, Jayant and all the others. See you next month same time!

       
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