Susan Welcome to IWC chat on " Tiger Census"
Imran S Hi Susan
Susan Welcome !
Imran S All over Census started on 16th and volunteers are already on field.
Imran S Ok, So Susan what shall we talk on
Susan Tell us how GIS is used in tiger census
swetha hi every one, Iam interested in wild life
Susan Welcome Swetha
swetha Iam interested in wild life and to know a lot about wild life
swetha thank you susan
Susan Do you find our website useful in giving some info?
swetha i am online for the first time
Imran S Susan lets discuss about TIger Census
swetha i dont have any specific interest in any animal bez i feel all animals are important and have equal importance
Susan Yes, Imran waiting for you to tell us about GIS
swetha ok lets talk about tiger census
Imran S GIS is gonna play major role in Census this year
Imran S But lets discuss the latest methodology. Till date this is first time that we are trying to do census not based on Pugmarks only
Imran S Since 1970 when One forester Chowdary wrote a paper in one Journal, we used to do census basing on the count of pugmarks of each animal
Imran S It was simple said but very complex in execution, Forest Guards, Volunteers etc. spread out in forest
Imran S Specially in lean month of May when water is little in forest streams and waterholes, tigers or leopards have to visit these waterholes atleast once a day
Imran S So having known about the presence of waterholes and their location, Officials go and prepare Pug Impression Pads(PIPs). PIPs are nothing but on each entrace to waterhole on animal trails earth is cleaned and fine sand
is put using a mesh making a soft layer on which it is easy to trace and locate pugmarks.
Susan That is very interesting. the details are..
Imran S Animal has to pass through this PIP and early in morning we are supposed to check for pugmarks
Susan As long as the pugmarks are taken correctly, this could have been a cost effective method.
Imran S of course
Imran S Pugmarks are looked for on Cart tracks, Near lakebeds, on River beds. Animals normally avoid stony ways, So they walk on a trail which is like a Kacha Rasta in forest.
Imran S Often referred as Game Trails
Imran S On such intersections also PIPs are useful; So pugmarks are collected from whatever possible sources-near a kill, beside roads or jeep tracks etc.
Imran S And this is collected for 1 week
Imran S Teams are formed for the purpose and each team is given some area
Jayant Hello everyone
Susan Welcome Jayant
Imran S Now as most animals are territorial it becomes mandatory for that territorial Leopard or Tiger to visit atleast one water hole
Imran S So these pugmarks are collected and assemebled in office on the final night
Jayant It's good to be back after may days
Imran S Hi Jayant!
Imran S These are put on maps and Duplicates are tried to be removed
Imran S Temeperatures can soar from 45 -48 in May
Jayant in 1990 & 91 I was a team member for leaopard census in Bhimashankar WLS
Imran S Anyways these are analysed u can know Sexes, Species and some say also individuals
Imran S Ok
Jayant I would like to know how do you use a GIS
Imran S Tigers have huge pugmarks
swetha Hi jayant this is swetha
Imran S Lets come to it Swetha is new to this I think
Imran S Anything less than 5 cms u can ignore to be cats; Leopards are 8-11 CMs; and tigers are 13-17 cms
Jayant especailly around human settlements as it could be dogs!
swetha ok but i want to know is there any way to identify tiger and leapord pug mark
Imran S If cubs happen to be there Mothers pugmarks will be accompanied
Imran S Yeah the size and shape
swetha what if its a baby tiger or a baby lepord
Imran S Dogs pugmarks are longish size around 8-12 cms
Imran S We need to have a mother nearby, as Cubs small will not be seen alone
Imran S No But listen, Dogs have a nail mark on there impressions
Jayant Jim corbett's Jungle Lore is a good book to read on this jungle signs
Imran S And if u observe u can differentiate between Wolf, Village Dog, Wild Dog, Hyena, Jackal etc..
Imran S Ok, I read it long ago.
Imran S Jayanth it is such fun looking at these pugmarks and coming to conclusions .. isnt it
Jayant on a jungle trail it is fun to read all these signs and infer from them correctly.
Jayant you bet its is
Imran S Anyways Sub Adult tiger and leopard can be mixup
Imran S But Leopards pugmark are more compact and once u see them u will not forget
Jayant as we are running out of time can we come to the mapping part
Imran S But for Leopard it looks that palm is in propotion for its fingers, unless they fall on loose soil they look quite close to each other
Imran S And for Tiger Cubs it will be something like spread out, with palm relatively bigger for the fIngers
Imran S Mapping is nothing but a trail which is geographically known.
Imran S See every point on earth has a Lat-Long information
Susan Jayant, the session is so interesting, do not worry about time .
Imran S so whenever we get some evidence we try to take that location and put that on map
Imran S This when put on that sancturies map will let u know where is that animal moving
Imran S See GIS is huge field, but I am talking only about census use
Jayant I was a GIS user once upon a time, also I know it would be a useful tool here
Imran S Now a new method had ben proposed by Project tiger Directorate
Imran S Yeah in this
Jayant Ionly want to know if it is used nowadays for wildlife census.
Imran S We cannot search each part of sanctuary as they are quite large.
Imran S So a method of sampling is so useful, Randomly we draw say 20 lines in forest
Imran S Each line is 4 kms long; First drawn on GIS map taking the LAt-Long we put this on the field.
Imran S that is we colour the tress in a line of 4 kms
Imran S on this we do sampling
Imran S 1. Sampling for TIger leopard and other carnivores encounter rates. 2. Herbivore encounter rate. 3. Pellets vegetation and human disturbance encounter
Susan Encounter by pugmarks?
Imran S This is put on map; Since trail is based on map it will run from any place to anyplace
Imran S Any direct or Indirect evidences of which pugmark is one
Jayant these maps would be very intresting to analyse.
Imran S Exactly, jayanth
Imran S since this is just sample of what really is in forest, GIs can use this data and we can determine the total poulation using simple statistics
Imran S These tracks are also determined by GIS
Imran S Like of 20 trails, 5 in dense forest , 5 in open forest 5 passing through streams and hills
Jayant Are wateholes also marked here?
Imran S each 5 kms away form each other
Imran S Now u are not going to favourite habiats
Imran S yeah waterholes data is also put into GIS analysis
Imran S This method of sampling may not give exact count
Imran S But a very good estimate of preybase of tigers
Imran S That will determine the health of that forest
Imran S Whereas for tiger counts one has to use camera trapping
Jayant This is an estimate and qute good for the resource input
Imran S First initial surveys are done to determine what are waterholes and movememnt of big cats
Jayant personnally i am against radio collaring etc
Susan There must be a way of looking at incremental census of prey base -that is what can indicate levels of decrease or increase in large carnivorous.
Imran S yes, susan, this has to be done for many years in all the seasons
Imran S like in Summer the visibility in forest may be good
Jayant ok i have to leave now. it was a very learning expericene for me here today
Jayant Thanks Imran. Sweta and Susan for this great time
Imran S Or in Rains there will be less litter allowing us to go near animals
Susan Thanks for coming Jayant See you more often!
Imran S thanks jayanth
Susan Imran, what happened to the Tadoba Census where you asked for volunteers?
swetha THANK YOU JAYANT
Imran S Sweta read this
Imran S Yeah problem was that forest dept were finding difficult to give permission only for weekends
Imran S so they asked for people shud come for 10-15 days in a row
swetha I will be happy if we continue the chat for some more time
Susan Is there a census on there now?
Imran S in the end we had only 5 volunteers going for that
Imran S hehe!!
Imran S In whole of india it is on now
Imran S WHere do u live swetha
Susan Shwetha, what would you like the topic for next month to be?
Imran S In forest only thing to worry is Bears, else u can literally walk alone in forest no animal will harm u
swetha i am from Hyderabad
Imran S And Elephants
Imran S Hey, thats cool
Imran S Y dont u go for census now tommorow
Imran S I will arrange everything
swetha I WANT TO KNOW TIGERS HAPITIDES
Susan Do you mean habitats?
Imran S Are u interested to join census now
Imran S See we have a group called Hyderabad Tiger conservation society or HYTICOS
Susan Imran One boy from Mumbai is interested . I will forward his mail to you
Imran S Do u know about that, or do u know about WWF or Kids for Tigers
swetha yes i am intersted
Imran S See our volunteers must be in bus now can u call now
Imran S Asif 98852 44925 or Akhil 988598980
swetha i heard about it
Imran S anyways how old are u
Imran S and what u do, I am also from Hyderabad but now in Dubai
Imran S We work in Kawal Willdife sanctuary for past 5 years for Conservation
swetha i am 26yr
Imran S good enough, I mean old enough, u can join, i f u want I will put u in Kawal
swetha i am interested in joining you all but i dont have any contact no to reach any one
Imran S Akhil 988598980
swetha i am happy to know that you are helping our wild life
swetha is he from hyderabad
Imran S or call 08739 246202 G Ravinder Reddy
Imran S Tell him that u want to Join with Asif Akhil and Imran has sent u to him
Imran S Akhil is in Bus now going to Kawal WLS
Imran S Kawal WLS is in Adilabad 240 Kms form Hyd
Imran S we have good accomodation there and census has just started
Imran S we have 16-18 tigers in that Sanctuary,
swetha i want to join them is it posible to join them on sat morning
Imran S dont miss that if u can afford time
Imran S There can be no better chance to learn more about census and wildife
Susan I have forwarded a mail from Azhar Kazi to you just now. He wants to volunteer too.
Imran S Ok call them now before they go out of range
swetha i just have to spk to my dad about it
Susan Shwetha , I hope that you join too. It will be a GREAT learning experience.
swetha i will be in touch with them so that i can be a part of it
Imran S Ok he is from Gujarat
Imran S sure swetha, keep those numbers with u safely
Imran S See this is office number of head quaters of sanctuary 08739 246264
swetha thank you very much for your help
Susan Imran, you have made the census process pretty clear. Thanks for that. I will go through the site you recommended too.
Imran S Arey I am glad to know we have people like u in Hyderabad
swetha thank you hope i know you
swetha i mran did you ever work with any of the society in Hyderabad
Susan We have had a long chat today. Are you guys ready to call it a day?
swetha do we need to end the chat?
Imran S Yes i worked with BSAP< WWF< HYTICOS, Nallamalai foundation
Susan Shwetha, I am afraid so. there are capacity restrictions on the site.
Imran S Ok swetha do mail me at
Imran S or add me on Yahoo chat at
swetha if you dont mind can you tell me the society
Imran S Anyways contact ritu now at 9848989989 or Akhil 988598980
Susan Imran, thank you very much. After the census is over may be we can have another chat on the same topic.
Imran S definitely we shud have more chats
Imran S not just on census but also into action of conservation